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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:02 pm Reply with quote
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Americans United Exposes Congressional Leaders’ Plan To Push Religious Right’s Controversial Political Agenda

The Family Research Council, a Washington-based Religious Right group, held a closed-door “Washington Briefing” March 17-19, 2005. During the event, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) addressed attendees and pledged that Republican leaders in Congress would work to implement the Religious Right’s controversial political agenda.

Americans United obtained a recording of DeLay’s and Frist’s comments. Americans United believes this recording underscores the growing power and influence of ultra-conservative fundamentalist organizations on our political system. AU released it to the media and public because the organization does not believe that powerful groups with controversial and narrow fundamentalist agendas that they seek to impose on all Americans should be permitted to plot and scheme in secret.

The people speaking on this recording, in order of appearance, are:



Both speeches took place during the Family Research Council’s “Washington Briefing” at the Willard Hotel, Washington, D.C., March 17-19, 2005.

Streaming audio: rtsp://65.201.162.234/qtmedia/MP3/200503-FristandDelay.m3u (requires Real player)
MP3 audio: http://www.au.org/audio/200503-FristandDelay.mp3 (20mb)
Transcript: http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_delayfristtranscript

Excerpts:

Quote:

That’s why we are winning these larger battles today. As Ronald Reagan said nearly thirty years ago, he said, “I refuse to believe the good Lord divided this world into Republicans who defend basic values and Democrats who win elections.” I say those words because, together, we are leading our nation forward. We have a president, we have a House of Representatives, we have a Senate that shares our values, and the American people are on our side. In this Congress, we’re going to continue to work on issues that are important to you, to me, above all to America’s future. That includes good judges, the sanctity of marriage, and, I just mentioned, the culture of life, as well as protection for the unborn. One of the first tests we will have is this whole confirmation of judges. This is at the top of the challenges that we must overcome in this Congress. -- U.S. Sen. Bill Frist


Quote:

And let me just finish with this. This is exactly the issue that’s going on in America, of attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others.

[...]

You need to look at this, at what’s going on, and participate in fighting back. One way they stopped churches from getting into politics was Lyndon Johnson, who passed a law that said you couldn’t get into politics or you were going to lose your tax-exempt status because they were all opposed to him when he was running for President. That law we’re trying to repeal; it’s very difficult to do that. -- U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay


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References:

Adapted from:
http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_audio

U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay

U.S. Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist

Family Research Council
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:16 am Reply with quote
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Well it looks like the LA Times broke this story. What a shame.

DeLay's Own Tragic Crossroads
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-delay27mar27,0,5710023.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Family of the lawmaker involved in the Schiavo case decided in '88 to let his comatose father die.

Here is what U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) had to say in a closed door meeting with the Family Council :


    And we can settle this once and for all, you won't have a whole bunch of court cases and all this kind of stuff, although they'll probably challenge the Constitutionality of our law, we're still, we think we're standing on very solid Constitutional grounds because all we did was amend an already-existing statute and have it applied to Terri. This is critically important, and I know you know that. It's more than just Terri Schiavo. It is a critical issue for people in this position, and it is also a critical issue to fight the fight for life, whether it be euthanasia or abortion. And I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, one thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to elevate the visibility of what's going on in America that Americans would be so barbaric as to pull a feeding tube out of a person that is lucid and starve them to death for two weeks. I mean, in America, that’s going to happen if we don't win that fight. So it’s bigger than any one of us, and we have to do everything that is in our power to save Terri Schiavo and anybody else that may be in this kind of position.


Google News has ~230 related stories on Delay's father:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0328schiavo-delay28.html

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Religious Agenda
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:57 am Reply with quote
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This article in the Rolling Stone about dominionists is a must read and very bothersome.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=111320

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:50 am Reply with quote
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D James Kennedy is insane. Shocked

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

Another source for the James Kennedy quote:
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/PastorsPageMEDIA/culturalmandate.html


The following description of the Cultural Mandate is taken from Led By the Carpenter, by Dr. D. James Kennedy, published by Thomas Nelson Publishers. Material from chapter one pages 4-8.

This was a interesting exchange on Bill Maher's Real Time with HBO:


    MAHER: --there was a majority of people who weren’t for impeaching Bill Clinton for his blowjob. Okay, so how come the majority can’t take the country?

    BALDWIN: Because the majority of people, Democrat or Republican, live in a moderate midsection of this country, and the Republican Party, the once great Republican Party in this country, has been hijacked by ­ the leadership class of the Republican Party, is a conservative Christian looney bin who’s taken over the party. [applause] [cheers]

    You know, I just want to say it’s very important ­ it’s very important for the purposes of that discussion to always distinguish Republican rank-and-file from Republican leadership. Most Republicans who are registered Republicans—

    MAHER: Yes.

    BALDWIN: --are decent, honest, good people who you have a difference of opinion with. [applause] The leadership of the Republican Party are a bunch of sociopathic maniacs—[laughter]—who have their lips super-glued to the ass of the conservative right. [applause]

    WEST: You can’t ­ you can’t overlook the role of corporate elites here, because there’s a sense in which a lot of these social issues are just smokescreens for corporate power and the way in which that redistribution of wealth from poor and working people to the well-to-do still takes place.

    But we have to say something about the milquetoast Democratic Party, too.

    GOLDBERG: Now, listen, there’s—

    BALDWIN: [overlapping] You guys. I’ll let you say it.

    GOLDBERG: --there’s not a ball between them. [laughter] [applause] There’s not a ball between them. And I have no ­ you know—

    WEST: I’m telling you.

    GOLDBERG: I ­ I believed at one point that we ­ we would have the ability to rise up and get people to see. Because basically the things that we talk about are good for the country. They really are smart and they are good. And there are ways to get the things that we want. But as Clinton said in one of his speeches, “Until we’re ready to stand behind what we believe, we’re never going to win.” And I watched. I saw it happen.

    WEST: That’s right.

    GOLDBERG: I watched the de-balling of the Democratic Party. And I watched them do it to themselves.

    WEST: That’s true. That’s true.

    GOLDBERG: They ripped ­ wait, baby ­ they ripped themselves open and said, “Fine, whatever you guys ­ you say we shouldn’t be talking about it; okay, we’re not going to talk about that.” We totally forgot who and what direction we were supposed to be going in. And whether you liked Howard Dean or not, or whether you liked Gephardt or any of these other cats, I at least think they would have stood up.

    Now, Kerry had a perfect opportunity to stand up and say, “You know what? I came back from Vietnam. I told you what I saw. I was over there. And of course, then there was Mi Lai and there was all these other things, but I told you what I saw, in the face of all these people screaming at me. And that’s what I’ll do for you as president.”

    MAHER: Yeah, right.

    GOLDBERG: If he had put his nuts on the table—[applause]


HBO BROADCAST TRANSCRIPT - April 1, 2005 - Episode #306
Guests: CORNEL WEST , ALEC BALDWIN , WHOOPI GOLDBERG
http://www.safesearching.com/billmaher/print/t_hbo_realtime_040105.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:18 am Reply with quote
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Yes, Kennedy is nuts!

I hate to think that our leadership [cough, cough] is in bed with these fanatics, but I'm afraid they are. At least there are some people out there who sees through their madness, as the exchange you gave in your post shows. It seems people like us are the majority but its the minority who have the power and the seats of the lawmakers. The democrats don't seem to have a backbone to stand up to these people, at least not at the present time. I hope the American people will wake up to this before it goes to far, because if they wait much longer I have a feeling it will be real ugly when they get fed up! I'm sure the repugs greed will be their downfall, they start making millions of people poor they won't last, I don't care how many gods they have on their side!
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Republicans want to censor your video games!
No more porn! NO HBO! No Daily Show! NO haveing FUN!
Only christian rock on the radio.
MUST be christian to get a job, it's coming now!
(faith-based job programs)
MANDATORY prayer in school.
Government to track you every minute of the day with manatory implants. (RFID) Especially if you aren't christian. (your papers, please)
Do you want all your rights decided upon by christian clergy?
(like THEY'RE all that moral)
Want your TAXES decided by christian clergy?

The opposition needs to SAY loudly they are for freedom, that is what this is about.

Unfortunately, it IS too late. The supreme court is already lost.
Perhaps if the media wakes up & starts checking into the finances of all these fundy right guys the people might have a chance. For some reason they can't keep their hands out of OUR cookie jar.
Exposing them for the crooks they actually are is the only way.
I had an uncle who was a baptist bible salesman, you never met a more slick, corrupt, sleazy guy. His son tried to sell my Dad a rip-off insurance policy, his own uncle! What an asshole. Luckily my sister was there to tell him to shove off.

One way everyone can help is to avoid buying from christian businesspeople - a tough thing to do where I live. If something hurts the bottom line, suddenly it won't be so important. I refuse to buy anything from anyone with the "fishie" or "dove" in their advertising. Christian friends of mine even do this, because they feel they may get ripped off if they don't go to the owner's church. I have actually been asked by potantial clients if I was christian or not. I have lost jobs by being honest. We can vote with our $$, just as they do (veggietails). Now, before I buy a large ticket item, I check on the owners of the company. We left a car dealership when the salesman's card had the fishie front and center. My husband refuses to work with anyone who evangalizes. We bought our hottub from an out of town company which is owned by a really nice gay couple. It was worth the drive.

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The fishie.. heh. These fundamentalists who sport the fish on there cards are crazy. The fish symbol has nothing to do with them or there silly holy war. Perhaps someone should tell these people, that the symbol is really a pagan symbol *GASP*....

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsvesica.htm

My wife and I have already talked about, what if the religious right hijacks the country.

As matowin said, the country is already in the process of being hijacked. If alito is appointed to the court, then the supreme court and quite possibily the most powerful establishment in our country would belong to the religious right.

We have decided, that if and when the day comes when all of this happens, we will probably end up moving to another country.

People don't fully understand sometimes what happens if the supreme court is lost. Some examples of what could happen:

1. Intelligent design is officially recognized as a rival science to evolution and taught in schools

2. Abortion would be made illegal

3. The rights of homosexuality, gone

4. Eventually the rights of religious freedom would be stripped from everyone, except christians. Don't believe me? Ask the Indians what happened to them. The government even enacted a law, forbidding the indians from practicing there religious beliefs. I'm pretty sure that the law has been since removed.

5. The liberal arts and media? No more. The only music videos you will find on TV, would be of the christian variety because everything else would seem to offensive and violent

6. Any scientific research that may oppose the church, gone.. at least in this country. Don't believe me? go to google.com and type in intelligent falling. This is the fundamentalists answer to gravity.


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information taken from : http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_032700_religiousrig.htm

Civilization Act of 1819: the government agreed to subsidize missionaries in their civilizing efforts and to support the active destruction of native religions.

In 1870 President Grant's "Peace Policy" expanded this federal support by inviting Christian denominations to nominate people to serve as federal agents to the tribes. Under this policy entire Indian nations were placed under the administrative control of particular churches, many of which had had no previous contact with the tribes they were selected to oversee. President Grant's own denomination, the Methodists, received the "rights" to several agencies.


Government persecution of native religions accelerated in the late nineteenth century. U.S. forces killed Sioux Ghost Dance participants at Wounded Knee, South Dakota, in 1890, and two years later arrested Ghost Dance leaders in Oklahoma. On most reservations the federal Indian Office's Courts of Indian Offenses investigated, convicted, and punished natives who persisted in following their ancient tribal religions. The Sun Dance, for example, which had long sustained a variety of Plains groups, was deemed offensive and was banned.

Infringements upon Indian religious traditions continued well into the twentieth century. Even as late as 1921, the Office of Indian Affairs issued Circular 1665, with a supplement, to all reservation superintendents. The circular banned native ceremonies and traditional rites, and encouraged missionaries and government officials to turn the public against Indian dances. However, Indian people continued their formal ways of worship surreptitiously.

Congress's intent to protect American Indian religious freedom has been further distorted in recent years by two landmark U.S. Supreme Court cases. In 1988, in Lynq v. Northwest Cemetery Protection Association, the high court limited a tribe's ability to protect aboriginal sacred sites on federal land; and in 1990, in Smith v. Oregon Department of Human Resources, the justices decided that the First Amendment's free exercise of religion clause did not protect the sacramental use of peyote in religious services of the Native American Church. In Smith the court further concluded that if the Indians' "minority religion" deserved legal protection, it would have to win that protection in the state legislatures



American Indian Religious Freedom Act
http://www.cr.nps.gov/local-law/FHPL_IndianRelFreAct.pdf



Is this the future that holds other religions, that aren't christian?

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MAN, could I get started on this subject - thanks for the accurate info Castlevania.

My grandfather was beaten when he refused to say his christian prayers, he wore the scars until the day he died. He was not the worse treated.

There is still much opposition to the traditional religions, but they ARE practiced (in more and more concealed places) and they will continue to be.

"The government cannot regulate what is in our minds." Crazy Horse

Our languages will be taught, our children will hear OUR stories. They will know who did in their relatives and why.

This is still true.
This entry would be much longer, but I have family to feed.

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